Spanking Illegal? Another Country Considers a Ban

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Phillipines considers spanking banThe Phillipines is inching closer to a ban on all forms of corporeal punishment against kids -- including spanking, according to a recent article on Babble.

Supporters of the bill cite evidence that spanking or other forms of corporeal punishment do not improve a child's behavior over time, and in fact increases his chances of distrusting authority and acting out. In the US, it's legal to spank, paddle and whip children in all 50 states.

This is a controversial subject. Many CafeMoms are vehemently opposed to spanking, while a lot of others support it as a valid and effective form of discipline.

Because such a law, if it ever came to the US, might directly affect CafeMoms like those in the Moms who spank group, I asked group owner SalemWitchChild to weigh in with her opinion.

She feels it's wrong for the Philippines to lump spanking and child abuse together. Spanking moms absolutely do not condone things like whipping or burning. Her group defines spanking as:

  • Light spankings on the bum only.
  • No more swats than the child is old.
  • Only as a last resort -- never as the sole form or first line of punishment.
  • It should be done with love (never anger) but with firm authority.
  • Before the spanking, the parent should always explain what the child has done wrong, what should have been done or not done, and why they must have a spanking.

"Real children are not like those on a TV show, where Dad comes in at night and talks to their child, and then the child miraculously sees why their actions are wrong and they will never do it again," SalemWitchChild says. "Spanking mothers realize that without obedience, a child will run wild. Spankings are just one way to demand that obedience. We have all tried time-outs, taking away privileges, etc. To some children, these things quickly make no difference."

A blogger on Babble, Hannah Tennant-Moore, who is obviously opposed to spanking, said it's no wonder that many teens believe it was right for Chris Brown to express anger at Rihanna by beating her up.

SalemWitchChild disagrees there is any connection between spanking and the making of criminals or women who stay with abusive husbands. She's unaware of any study to prove it, and if there is, she doubts that it differentiates between abuse and responsible parental spanking.

Do you think there's a connection?

And remember, ladies, let's keep the discussion respectful. No bashing or insults, please!

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PiggyBug PiggyBug

I'm of the same opinion as SalemWitchChild. Since spanking children has gone "out of style" or has become "politically incorrect" or whatever...look at how our country's youth is behaving. Crime is on the rise and more and more children are ending up in detention centers. Coincidence?

RanaA... RanaAurora

Other countries have implemented this ban with fantastic results.  The rates of abuse and even physical abuse leading to death dropped immediately and continued to drop.  I think it really helps to draw a line that says NO form of hitting is okay, because then you have to go that much farther to "accidentally" do it too hard.
I do think there's a connection between abuse and spanking, especially considering studies show that children who were spanked exhibit emotional triggers similar to children who were victims of sexual abuse.
Regardless of "having tried everything else", there's always more options.  You just have to be creative and willing to ask for help and look around for other opinions.  A lot of people don't, and need to really understand their child better.  In a study done by the AAP, they discovered that 11% of parents reported having spanked a child 6 to 11 months of age.  That's just sick and wrong, period.


You're going to get a huge dramafest in here, I'm afraid.

hunta... huntannakay

Seriously???  My goodness!  We wonder why children 20 years ago were better behaved than children today!  There is NOTHING wrong w/ spanking a child AS LONG AS it's done in a loving and non-angry way.  The point of discipline (for me) is to teach them in a Godly manner, not a harsh "you better do this or else" manner.  There's  a reason why ppl. comment on how well behaved my children are.  However, this post will probably get pretty heated I imagine.  Ppl. who spank are adamant it's ok, and ppl. who do not are adamant that it's not ok.  I'll continue to spank my children in a loving way, and those who don't spank will continue not too I assume.  Nothing that is said here will change my mind.

mrssu... mrssundin

Seriously???  My goodness!  We wonder why children 20 years ago were better behaved than children today!  There is NOTHING wrong w/ spanking a child AS LONG AS it's done in a loving and non-angry way.  The point of discipline (for me) is to teach them in a Godly manner, not a harsh "you better do this or else" manner.  There's  a reason why ppl. comment on how well behaved my children are.  However, this post will probably get pretty heated I imagine.  Ppl. who spank are adamant it's ok, and ppl. who do not are adamant that it's not ok.  I'll continue to spank my children in a loving way, and those who don't spank will continue not too I assume.  Nothing that is said here will change my mind.


i totally agree, my mom gave us a swat on the butt when we misbehaved.  i have not once ever talked back to my mother, but i see kids doing that and much worse to there parents.  a little swat on the butt never killed anyone.

JoyeA... JoyeAustin

The problem is that some parents don't just give the same number of swats as the child's age, don't always just hit lightly on the bum, and do spank in anger, which means they hit hard.


But, some parents so use it as an effect, last-resort means of discipline.


I personally feel that any law in place for the best interest of children, to protect their health and well being, is worthwhile. However, I don't like the idea that parents will be considering abusers for swatting their kids.

RanaA... RanaAurora

I would like to dispel a myth right now.


People who do not spank do not let their children walk all over them.  There are VERY strict parents with insanely well-behaved children who have NEVER spanked.

JoyeA... JoyeAustin

But some parents also use it as an effective, last-resort means of discipline.


What that nonsense sentence was supposed to say.

RanaA... RanaAurora

Joye, I agree.  I think in serious, life-threatening situations, there's nothing wrong with a spank.


However, I've never seen anyone "spank out of love" and I've even seen people say they spank with an object because they hurt their hand if they don't.  Those ARE forms of abuse, if you're doing it to release your emotions or hurting yourself.  If your child's skin turns red for 5 minutes, you hit too hard.

babyc... babycakes254

I agree with everything RanaAurora has said! I had some neighbors who had went out and when they came back their 18 month olds thigh was fire red. They said he talked back to his dad and his dad tore him up.


I just don't get it.

dadaf... dadafirst

I have seen first hand how a lack of dicipline  makes children behave like heathens.  Parents should spank their children in a firm but loving manner  when needed or keep them at home because I for one am sick of seeing spoiled children running amuck while their parents grin and say things like" oh, he's cranky this morning."  "He wouldn't let me put his shoe on him"  Seriously:  who is the parent and who is the child because parents who don't spank don't seem to know the difference.  They are worried about their child's self esteem and not about the scene their child makes.

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