Incestuous 'Flowers in the Attic' Siblings Deserve Sympathy Not Sentencing

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Want to know what is really, really unsexy? Incest. Yep, I think even among those of us who have different sexual needs and desires and who like to mix it up, we can universally agree that brothers and sisters and fathers and daughters and mothers and sons is all kind of yucky, gross, and icky. But the laws that make it illegal are there for a reason. Clearly someone thought it wasn't very gross at all.

In Germany, a brother and sister who have four children together were just informed by a European court that their union is considered incest and that the conviction the brother faces for it still stands.

It's like the real life Flowers in the Attic, but gross as it is, I also see their point.

Unlike most brothers and sisters, Patrick Stuebing and Susan Karolewski had never even met until they were in their 20s. He had been placed in foster care as a child, so he only met his sister late in life. When they met, sparks flew.

OK, gross. I know. But, in this case, while I am not justifying it, I also think throwing him in jail (which is what happened) is a little abnormally harsh. This isn't the only time this has happened, either.

In 2011, a father and daughter who were reunited did the same thing. While yes, it's sick and kind of makes me want to throw my breakfast up, the fact is, these are consenting adults.

The reason incest is illegal is usually for the children, and in this case, their decision to have children did result in disabilities. So while their relationship itself isn't wrong, their decision to have children is.

The government really can't step in and regulate a couple of consenting adults. Sure, we would love to think that all people will make good decisions and not have children if they shouldn't, but it isn't up to the government to decide who can and can't love each other.

The fact is 99.9999999 percent of us are utterly repulsed by the idea of incest and those who aren't are not criminals. They are likely just lonely and in need of love and who knows what else. We should pity them and sympathize, not throw them in jail.

Do you think this couple deserved jail?


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nonmember avatar ele4phant

Its all fine and well that they were consenting adults, but they did have kids. We KNOW that genetically speaking, this isn't a good idea.

writi... writingafwife

Weren't the characters in Flowers in the Attic Uncle and Neice? That movie is sooo sad makes me cry everytime.

smtxc... smtxcowgirl

Actually, if you read the whole series, you learned that Chris and Corrine were really half-brother and half-sister, not uncle and niece as they originally believed.  They continued their relationship even after they found out.

After being in the attic for 5 years, brother and sister Christopher Jr and Catherine developed an incestual relationship, which continued until the day Chris Jr. died many years later.  


nonmember avatar blh

I would say since they knew they were siblings and decided to have a sexual relationship anyways and then selfishly decided to have children then yes they deserve jail. Just because they were attracted to each other doesn't mean they couldn't have used some self control. Like get over it and move on.

nonmember avatar JustMe

So now that they are married and have 4 children, they are NOW putting him in jail? Also, if their marriage and relationship is technically illegal are they now going to be forced to divorce? What about the kids? And if they are NOT going to force them to dissolve their marriage what kind of logic is it that there is any jail time for any participant? Also why is only the Male in trouble? Personally, while icky/gross, if they don't know each other AS brother and sister, they aren't brother and sister, they are genetically related siblings... they have no childhood memories of each other this (to me) is no more disturbing then 2 people born from the same sperm donor who meet and fall in love only to find out they are related... to me this is just sad!

SwePea SwePea

He's not a criminal.

nonmember avatar Elizabeth

I am pretty open minded and I really couldn't care less what they did but they knew they were siblings before they had the kids. 2 children are disabled. So I am not cool with that. They didn't need to have kids.

the4m... the4mutts

Saying that because they "knew" the genetic risks of having children makes them criminals is really ignorant.

Plenty of people have high risks for certain genetic disabilities, and choose to have kids anyway. Like when downs syndrome runs in the family. Its not guaranteed that YOUR child will have it, but its a risk.

Its not guaranteed that incestual relations will breed disabilities, is just a higher than average risk.

Also, these people are adults, and were not raised as relatives.

Its a point of worry for me with parent/child relations, because it makes you wonder what the parent did to the child when the child was underaged.

It may not be my cup of tea, but they're adults, and should be left alone

princ... princezzmommie

fact remains, if they knew they were siblings, they knew they were breaking the law and they chose to take the risk. now that they got caught and its time to face the risk they took, they want to cry off? doesn't work that way. is there any country in the world that allows this?

plus, how gross is that? 

nonmember avatar JustMe

4mutts: I completely agree, thank you for the additonal points to ponder. I'm glad I'm not the only one who seems to get that people who are not raised together don't have that "family" feeling about people they may share genetics with. And unless we are going to start testing people who want to have children to determine their "risk of having disabled children" before we "allow" them to...well just think about what road that leads to...

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