
Image courtesy of PhotobucketAbortion opponents must think fertile women are stupid.
At least that's the message I'm getting from the latest abortion laws in Oklahoma.
Why do I say that? Well, where do I start? The law says that before women are permitted to have a procedure to which we have a Constitutional right, we MUST allow the doctor to perform a vaginal ultrasound (whether one is medically needed or not), we MUST be forced to view the ultrasound images, and we MUST be forced to talk with the doctor at length about what a fetus is and what will happen to it as a result of the abortion.
Thank GOODNESS we have those all-knowing, wise (and overwhelmingly male) legislators of Oklahoma to ensure before women have an abortion that they realize that what's growing inside of them might turn into an actual baby!
Oh, and Oklahoma women also no longer have the right to sue their doctor if he or she lies to them about the state of their pregnancy. So, for example, if a fetus has a major birth defect and the woman doesn't learn about it until it's too late in the pregnancy to have an abortion if she wants one, she can't sue the doctor for lying or forgetting to tell her.
So, to sum up -- Oklahoma wants to force certain information on women but withhold other details, depending on how it fits their social and political agendas, regardless of how it impacts the lives of real women and their real families.
For the moment, a court has issued a stay preventing the enforcement of the "forced sonogram/what's a fetus talk" part of the law that its proponents claim is merely there to protect innocent lives.
As we used to say on the farm, "Do I look like I just fell off the turnip truck?"
Protecting "innocent lives" isn't the real agenda here. If it was, then these same lawmakers would enthusiastically support teaching birth control (other than abstinence) in our schools. Funny thing is, they're usually the same people opposed to that. These are also often the same people who take no legislative or social welfare interest in the children who are born because women weren't permitted to seek abortions. As one abortion opponent told me many years ago when I was a young reporter, "That's not our concern. We don't care what happens once they're born."
Nice.
So if they don't want girls learning about how to prevent pregnancy and they don't want women to end pregnancies for whatever reason (even incest, rape, or the possible death of the mother), what do they really want?
Maybe the USA Today headline should read "States Seek New Ways to Restrict Women" instead of "States Seek New Ways to Restrict Abortions." Unrelenting efforts by lawmakers (the fact that a court struck down essentially this same law last year in Oklahoma hasn't stopped some from trying to force it through again) to save women from themselves in the guise of saving babies is just as much about keeping women barefoot, pregnant, and out of the workplace to protect their own economic and political power as it is about the sanctity of human life. Because if it wasn't, these same people who insist they know what's best for women would embrace as many opportunities as possible to prevent unwanted pregnancies and to encourage as much health care as possible for women.
Oklahoma (and other states), we're not stupid. We're smart enough to connect the dots and know that despite what you say, you're not looking out for anyone's best interests but your own. And as long as your interests aren't the same as mine, I'll be happy to keep calling you out on it.
Joanne Bamberger can't help herself when it comes to politics and punditry. When she's not hanging out here at The Stir, you can find her at her place, PunditMom.


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I just can't believe that a woman's "right" to not have her life complicated by a pregnancy is more important than another person's right to live.
Logically, it just doesn't make sense to me.
And I still don't have an issue with making sure women are informed about the medical procedure they're about to undergo. Heck, even the dentist shows me the x-rays of my teeth before drilling a cavity.
*deep sigh* -- This is NOT about being merely being informed. Can you think of ONE woman you know who would even consider an abortion without knowing exactly what she's doing and what's going to happen? I sure don't. And do any of your doctors perform procedures without telling you why or having a talk with you about why it's needed? I bet not.
And that's the big point of all this -- that the men who run our legislatures think that women just will-nilly run around ending their pregnancies for no good reason and presuming they know more than women do.
For those of you who are OK with this type of law, I'm glad for you. For me and for the majority of women in this country, though, we'd like to make our own medical decisions with our own doctors deciding what procedures are required and what information is required. Doctors have the medical degrees. And I dare say that women have the brains to make these decisions without the government trying to suggest that women are too stupid to know what they're doing.
-- Joanne
@29again -- The Supreme Court ruled in Roe vs. Wade, "We, therefore, conclude that the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision,..." The right to privacy is a Constitutional guarantee, so if this falls under the right to privacy, it is Constitutionally protected.
I'm putting away my law degree now.
-- Joanne
Joanne, unfortunately not all women understand what they're doing. They don't understand that a baby's heart beats at 5-6 weeks. They don't understand they're fully formed at 12 weeks. As educated women, we forget that there are people out there that really don't know what the stages of development in a pregnancy are.
I think this law actually protects women from being just another $500 in an abortion mill.
Wouldn't abortion involve invasiveness of a womans V to rid her body of her baby-abortion anyhow?
It's sickening how many women want to subjugate themselves and other women to the male dominated BUSINESS of medicine. I find it appalling that should I live in OK I would have to pay for a consultation and testing I do not want, not to mention I could be paying my doctor to LIE to me, which is entirely against the nature of the oath s/he took. Since when does a woman loose the right to choose and refuse what happens in her medical care? Since the passing of this law of course. I honestly can't believe women think other women are so uninformed or ignorant. I am disgusted by most of the responses here and disgusted by the glaring ignorance of those who are for this law. A fetus is not fully formed at 12 weeks, if it was viability wouldn't be an issue and it is until about 22 weeks at the earliest. Lungs are not functional, CNS is not fully developed or functional, bones are not hard, no nails, no cochlea, and the list goes on. A law that is supported by the constitution means it is a constitutional right even though it isn't specifically named in the constitution or bill of rights. Looks like the ignorant aren't necessarily those who are having abortions.
Let's see, why would they think you were stupid if you got yourself knocked up with a kid you didn't want????
Let's see, why would they think you were stupid if you got yourself knocked up with a kid you didn't want????
She shoots, She scores!
Why would you have to have a vaginal ultrasound? What is wrong with having a regular ultrasound? I have NEVER had a vaginal ultrasound in my pregnancy, and I got my first ultrasound at six weeks. I could see everything that was there perfectly fine. Sounds like a bunch of stupid, perverted men if you ask me!